Ford Performance Tune

[Sgt1411]

I think the issue may be with inspection? Which needs to be whatever state the car is registered in. I’m still not sure how the 20-21 is okay but not 22.

The CA Inspection Centers are not going to get anything that tells them anything from exhaust so can the Inspectors check the engine calibration and determine if its the stock calibration?.....thats crazy. I bet they would never know.

 

[st8]

The CA Inspection Centers are not going to get anything that tells them anything from exhaust so can check they engine calibration and determine if its the stock calibration?.....thats crazy. I bet they would never know.

Here is the executive order from California. To me it just acknowledges that the tune does not affect any emissions on the car. It also to me seems like California just hasn’t updated it to include the 2022 year of vehicles. No 2022 ford is included in this order of exemption.

 

[SimonsGTS]

The CA Inspection Centers are not going to get anything that tells them anything from exhaust so can check they engine calibration and determine if its the stock calibration?.....thats crazy. I bet they would never know.

You're correct, I'm a former CA Smog Tech/BAR Trainer and a factory tune would not be identified during a normal emmissions inspection.

 

[mycbtech]

You're correct, I'm a former CA Smog Tech/BAR Trainer and a factory tune would not be identified during a normal emmissions inspection.

this is a curious question though. im thinking that the Ford Performance Tune would be found during inspection since all 2000 and newer cars use OBDII and visual inspections not the sniff test anymore. Thus the reason why you cant get this tune in CA as of yet. the reality of it though is new cars in CA dont require a smog inspection for the first 7 years of its life so you may be fine with the tune as by that time it will have passed CARB and be allowed in CA since its a "Factory" tune.

Another reality is, these tunes as well as ZFG can be removed at any time so when it comes down to smogging the car all you need to do is revert back to the stock tune, smog it and put it back on barring you have any other non-CARB legal mods.

 

[SimonsGTS]

this is a curious question though. im thinking that the Ford Performance Tune would be found during inspection since all 2000 and newer cars use OBDII and visual inspections not the sniff test anymore. Thus the reason why you cant get this tune in CA as of yet. the reality of it though is new cars in CA dont require a smog inspection for the first 7 years of its life so you may be fine with the tune as by that time it will have passed CARB and be allowed in CA since its a "Factory" tune.

Another reality is, these tunes as well as ZFG can be removed at any time so when it comes down to smogging the car all you need to do is revert back to the stock tune, smog it and put it back on barring you have any other non-CARB legal mods.

That's correct, most likely by the time they get to the first emissions test the 2022 should be approved anyway. The OBDII test checks for MIL status (on or off), DTC's, and Mode $06 monitor status, the BAR OIS doesn't check for software versions yet as far as I know. (I let my license lapse a few years ago so I could be wrong lol!). That's why I say most smog techs would most likely not catch the Ford Tune, I don't know if any of the aftermarket tunes still display correct monitor status or not since I haven't looked at them yet. But yes, if someone was concerned they can revert to stock for the inspection like you said. I remember failing a Honda years ago because all of the monitors had passed...even on systems not equipped on the vehicle. I never saw the vehicle again so I don't know what happened.

 

[Tommy Flippen]

10 days in on the FP Tune with K&N drop in, Gibson axle back, and 91 octane. Self installed in less than an hour after a little issue with the anti virus program on my laptop (nothing to do with the tune). My startup routine every time, Start button, release the parking brake, spin the mode to SPORT. Throttle response noticeably improved, shifting much smoother though I do a lot of paddle downshifting in D (love the fact that it now downshifts on it's own), and I haven't really found that extra 30 hp yet as it's been raining for most of those 10 days.......

 

[UNBROKEN]

This tune was “looked at” by a very reputable tuner. He found absolutely zero changes to the trans tuning from stock. My guess is the differences people are feeling is a KAM reset when installing the new tune and the trans doing a fresh relearn with your new driving style.

 

[Stone17]

This tune was “looked at” by a very reputable tuner. He found absolutely zero changes to the trans tuning from stock. My guess is the differences people are feeling is a KAM reset when installing the new tune and the trans doing a fresh relearn with your new driving style.

In sport Mode. The hard downshift went away. That's the only think I notice on the tranny.

 

[Cdubya]

FP Tune only claims "optimized transmission shift schedule". Not sure what that means exactly. I guess you can't assume it means transmission tuning at all. And unless you've done a trans adaptive learning reset (ie. Forscan service procedure or other method), who knows if that's the sole reason for the difference people are feeling with this tune. I was doing it with the stock tune and even Livernois tune because it actually smoothed out the shifts--after a time, it seemed shifts became a little abrupt or lurchy.

 

[st8]

This tune was “looked at” by a very reputable tuner. He found absolutely zero changes to the trans tuning from stock. My guess is the differences people are feeling is a KAM reset when installing the new tune and the trans doing a fresh relearn with your new driving style.

Yeah I saw that. Chalked up that it’s just going to go back to how it was. Well, over a thousand miles later and it’s still better for me. So who knows. All I know is my ST didn’t get worse the more I drove it. It had the kinda off shifts from day 1. Now with this tune it’s better. So something was done imo.

 

[Blown F-150]

Yeah I saw that. Chalked up that it’s just going to go back to how it was. Well, over a thousand miles later and it’s still better for me. So who knows. All I know is my ST didn’t get worse the more I drove it. It had the kinda off shifts from day 1. Now with this tune it’s better. So something was done imo.

Although I wouldn’t be surprised if Ford Performance did no real changes, this could be a case where there are tables they have access to, that HPT doesn’t.

SCT and HPT constantly get requests to add tables.


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[UNBROKEN]

I think that’s a bit of a stretch in this case.

 

[Blown F-150]

I think that’s a bit of a stretch in this case.

Why is that? I see tables in SCT that HPT doesn't have and the other way around. Livernois has an in with Ford that neither SCT or HPT or COBB seems to have.

It's not apples to apples, but I saw folks claim the same thing when Ford put out the cam phaser TSB flash for the Gen2 3.5's. Folks, including tuners were saying "there is nothing in this update other than shutter control changes", which wasn't the case. They just couldn't see all the changes.

 

[TheHypnoToad]

Out of curiosity, has anyone tried running e30 in the Ford Performance Tune? I know that the Auto Octane and 91-93 Octane ZFG tunes are able to handle it but wonder if the Ford tune could as well.

 

[Cruising68]

My thoughts would be no but curious to hear from others.


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[Blown F-150]

You could run it, but the tune is capped for power output. So unless you’re in a really specific scenario (like super hot ambient temp with a stock intercooler), you will likely not see any benefit.


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[TheHypnoToad]

You could run it, but the tune is capped for power output. So unless you’re in a really specific scenario (like super hot ambient temp with a stock intercooler), you will likely not see any benefit.


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Thanks!

 

[I Bleed Ford Blue]

You could run it, but the tune is capped for power output.


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Sounds like a good reason to skip the ford tune and go aftermarket.

 

[st8]

Sounds like a good reason to skip the ford tune and go aftermarket.

I mean that’s kinda obvious. Anyone looking to squeeze every bit of power out of the ST should ONLY be looking aftermarket. That’s not the point of the FP tune. At all.

 

[Bugasu]

Why is that? I see tables in SCT that HPT doesn't have and the other way around. Livernois has an in with Ford that neither SCT or HPT or COBB seems to have.

It's not apples to apples, but I saw folks claim the same thing when Ford put out the cam phaser TSB flash for the Gen2 3.5's. Folks, including tuners were saying "there is nothing in this update other than shutter control changes", which wasn't the case. They just couldn't see all the changes.

In this case, the only changes Ford has made for the performance tune that can't be seen in HPTuners for example are for unrelated items.

There's 3 parameters changed that change the rate the engine speed limiter cycles.
1 parameter that is normally used for overboost logic that was adjusted (not sure why, both the stock value and the Ford Performance value still leave overboost logic disabled)
1 table that effects dashpot control slightly.

There are 2 transmissions tables altered that are non-visible, but everything adjusted on the transmission side is only for raised or removed torque limits to deal with the higher torque of the system.
Nothing is changed with scheduling, shift pressures (besides the obvious higher torque = higher pressure, but thats stock functionality), or timing.

The "effect" people are feeling is simply the adaptive reset that occurs during flashing.
EDIT: see my next post, it could also be some changes that happened from updating to the latest trans cal from an earlier MY cal