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I agree with you for the most part, but I will never fail in directly responding to lies and misinformation. I'm all about data, and if someone refutes concrete information then I will attempt to correct their errors, failing that, I will block them. I don't have time to waste on people who choose to live their lives with blinders on.

Sadly, it's apparent far too many people today reject truth and reality in lieu of emotional knee jerk responses. Even that Cruising dude has gone full tilt bonkers. Sad ...
Add another five people to the "block" list! Ever heard the expression "Cut off your nose to spite your face?"
 

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Add another five people to the "block" list! Ever heard the expression "Cut off your nose to spite your face?"
I think he should block every one on this forum. He isn't able to carry on a conversation with any one so that way he could pout all alone.
 

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How do you guys think this FP tune would compare to zfg auto octane? The latter offering claims of 50+ hp and torque. The former obviously noting 30hp gain and up to 35lb torque. But they say peak 467lb torque. Curious why they say 35 lb torque gain but then say 467 peak. Math doesn’t add up or likely just my lack of knowledge lol can anyone explain this or offer any input. Much appreciated!
 

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Every thing I've seen points to ZFG being the best tune for this platform. All posts on the FP tune people seem happy with it and no negatives. I don't have a tune but just posting about what I've read here and on a couple other forums. I think you would enjoy either one.
 

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Every thing I've seen points to ZFG being the best tune for this platform. All posts on the FP tune people seem happy with it and no negatives. I don't have a tune but just posting about what I've read here and on a couple other forums. I think you would enjoy either one.
Yeah Zfg definitely the top of the list. I just never hear much about Zfg auto octane version. It’s a little dialed back and I think maybe somewhat in line with the FP tune. Not entirely sure though. But it doesn’t require full on premium gas at all times.
 

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For those who want a warranty-saving tune, they should just do the FP tune. If you're that person, put a period on it and buy it. Based on the only results I've seen so far, it would appear it's actually better than just 30hp. If you are NOT concerned with just a warranty, then pick an octane level that you can afford and consistently use and purchase a tune that exploits it.

All of these tunes are using Ford's algorithms to dial back timing and boost when encountering detonation (or a situation that might lead to problems). And detonation is what destroys engines. A good tuner in either case can adjust certain parameters regarding the intensity of the reaction of the ECU to knock.

Remember that even a vendor has to make money. If there's a market for an "auto-octane" tune, they'll sell one. It doesn't necessarily mean it's better. It's just (possibly) more forgiving, especially if you're the type that alternates between 93 and 87 depending on the price at the pump. Even then, the feedback of this ECU is very unlikely to destroy the engine unless you do something very foolish.
 

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One thing ZFG may have a leg up is the transmission tuning. I'm not shilling for either on. Warranty the FP tune has the leg up.
 

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For those who want a warranty-saving tune, they should just do the FP tune. If you're that person, put a period on it and buy it.
No doubt. Or just discuss it for 26 more pages.
 

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No doubt. Or just discuss it for 26 more pages.
You haven't been here long enough to look at the 100s of pages of 3 vs 4 bolt differential discussions spread across at least 6 threads...this is nothing!
 

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No doubt. Or just discuss it for 26 more pages.
I’m just torn lol hate to keep belaboring it. yeah I like the idea of preserving a warranty but based on all the reports, Zfg seems pretty damn rock solid.
 

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I will agree with those stating one of the best parts of a ZFG tune is the trans. Definitely a more pleasant experience with the transmission shifting the way it should.


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I’m just torn lol hate to keep belaboring it. yeah I like the idea of preserving a warranty but based on all the reports, Zfg seems pretty damn rock solid.
Yes, please stop "belaboring" it. Put up or shut up. Every possible pro and con has already been covered in this thread. What possible unanswered question is inhibiting your decision?
 

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Yes, please stop "belaboring" it. Put up or shut up. Every possible pro and con has already been covered in this thread. What possible unanswered question is inhibiting your decision?
You got it. Thanks
 

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How do you guys think this FP tune would compare to zfg auto octane? The latter offering claims of 50+ hp and torque. The former obviously noting 30hp gain and up to 35lb torque. But they say peak 467lb torque. Curious why they say 35 lb torque gain but then say 467 peak. Math doesn’t add up or likely just my lack of knowledge lol can anyone explain this or offer any input. Much appreciated!
St8, I went with the auto octane tune. Told Adam what my goals were which required slightly higher than the quoted WHP of 50. Adam said not a problem. At some point I'll find my way to a 4 wheel dyno to see how close we got. My reasoning for the auto octane was the inconsistency of 92-93 oct. and the confiscatory prices charged in certain markets. Reading this thread and with Tmac's input I've learned the ST's base platform is more forgiving than I knew on adjusting for octane levels. If I had to do it all over again I most likely would take the same path. As I told Adam, I don't race it, and I won't get in a pissing contest over draggy time slips. I just went with the tune I felt most comfortable with and wouldn't shell the transmission with some spirited driving.
 

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You haven't been here long enough to look at the 100s of pages of 3 vs 4 bolt differential discussions spread across at least 6 threads...this is nothing!
Yeah, I read a little bit then got bored. TBH, if the boss lady wants a tune it would be the Ford tune, she bought it used and it has some long ass Ford ESP warranty on it. If it was my daily, I would go ZFG, just send it and hope it stayed together.
 

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Yeah, I read a little bit then got bored. TBH, if the boss lady wants a tune it would be the Ford tune, she bought it used and it has some long ass Ford ESP warranty on it. If it was my daily, I would go ZFG, just send it and hope it stayed together.
The Fp tune warranty only applies for 3 years/36,000 miles from the in service date. Your ST may be beyond that. ESP is no help here.
 

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The Fp tune warranty only applies for 3 years/36,000 miles from the in service date. Your ST may be beyond that. ESP is no help here.
Exactly. It's not 3/36 from when you had the FP tune installed, it's from the original date the ST was sold and titled for the first time. If you have a 2020 that was first sold in 19 or you already have 36K or more miles on it then the FP warranty is null and void anyway. At that point just buy a ZFG tune, for roughly 1K you can get triple the HP of the FP tune.
 

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St8, I went with the auto octane tune. Told Adam what my goals were which required slightly higher than the quoted WHP of 50. Adam said not a problem. At some point I'll find my way to a 4 wheel dyno to see how close we got. My reasoning for the auto octane was the inconsistency of 92-93 oct. and the confiscatory prices charged in certain markets. Reading this thread and with Tmac's input I've learned the ST's base platform is more forgiving than I knew on adjusting for octane levels. If I had to do it all over again I most likely would take the same path. As I told Adam, I don't race it, and I won't get in a pissing contest over draggy time slips. I just went with the tune I felt most comfortable with and wouldn't shell the transmission with some spirited driving.
Appreciate the info! Helpful to hear some feedback on that particular version.
 

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No doubt. Or just discuss it for 26 more pages.
It could be cut down to ~4 pages if all the irrelevant and irrational comments were deleted. The radically misinformed are ruining it, no surprise. It's the internet. Lol

... If you have a 2020 that was first sold in 19 or you already have 36K or more miles on it then the FP warranty is null and void anyway ...
Alternatively. It's not just about New vs. Older out of warranty ST's. Even if someone had an older ST, the FP tune is the manufacturer's tune and will appeal to people who don't trust 3rd party software. And if something were to happen to an ST with an out of warranty FP tune, the chance of a dealer working with them is vastly greater.

... I don't race it, and I won't get in a pissing contest over draggy time slips. I just went with the tune I felt most comfortable with and wouldn't shell the transmission with some spirited driving.
It's honorable you think for yourself and don't let forum members lead you around on a short leash. Going with a modest tune is radically appealing to many people. Otherwise, would FORD have wasted their time and money developing one? Nope.

But the point needs to be made: OEM vs 3rd party tune debates have been going on for decades. You have Group A, who has brand loyalty and couldn't care less how much HP a 3rd party tune makes. Then you have Group B, who wants max HP at all costs and is willing to get it from anyone, anywhere. And there you go ...
 

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It could be cut down to ~4 pages if all the irrelevant and irrational comments were deleted. The radically misinformed are ruining it, no surprise. It's the internet. Lol



Alternatively. It's not just about New vs. Older out of warranty ST's. Even if someone had an older ST, the FP tune is the manufacturer's tune and will appeal to people who don't trust 3rd party software. And if something were to happen to an ST with an out of warranty FP tune, the chance of a dealer working with them is vastly greater.



It's honorable you think for yourself and don't let forum members lead you around on a short leash. Going with a modest tune is radically appealing to many people. Otherwise, would FORD have wasted their time and money developing one? Nope.

But the point needs to be made: OEM vs 3rd party tune debates have been going on for decades. You have Group A, who has brand loyalty and couldn't care less how much HP a 3rd party tune makes. Then you have Group B, who wants max HP at all costs and is willing to get it from anyone, anywhere. And there you go ...
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