Lowering Springs Pros and Cons

[Combatvet]

So here's my take: I'm either a dumbass or a Maverick because I just completed a a 600 mile round trip in two days right after getting my 25 ST lowered with Eibach's. I also installed 1.25" spacers, and a Steeda engine brace the day before. It looks like proper planning prevented piss poor performance. The only problem was a star rock chip, and a two wobbly lug nuts (they have a tiny amount of play left, and right). Anyone know why?

I can't take any credit though. This forum and its members deserve the credit. Almost everything we need to know is right here. So, Thanks !

 

[BrooseDaMoose]

So here's my take: I'm either a dumbass or a Maverick because I just completed a a 600 mile round trip in two days right after getting my 25 ST lowered with Eibach's. I also installed 1.25" spacers, and a Steeda engine brace the day before. It looks like proper planning prevented piss poor performance. The only problem was a star rock chip, and a two wobbly lug nuts (they have a tiny amount of play left, and right). Anyone know why?

I can't take any credit though. This forum and its members deserve the credit. Almost everything we need to know is right here. So, Thanks !

Not sure what you mean by “proper planning”. If your lug nuts are wobbling it’s likely that they are bottomed out and the lug studs are a hair too long or are not seated all the way in the spacer.


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[Combatvet]

Not sure what you mean by “proper planning”. If your lug nuts are wobbling it’s likely that they are bottomed out and the lug studs are a hair too long or are not seated all the way in the spacer.


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I found out that some lug nuts are sleeved, and that sleeve can cause a slight amount of "play" but remain tight in the channel.

 

[BrooseDaMoose]

I found out that some lug nuts are sleeved, and that sleeve can cause a slight amount of "play" but remain tight in the channel.

Yep, I was thinking they were the stock lug nuts.


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[Combatvet]

I replaced all of that OEM crap with black Gorilla lug nuts, it looks so much better.

 

[21STBlkout]

Question for @UNBROKEN you mentioned you need to dremel out the slots to get to -.5 in the rear. Is this the case? I want to make sure I'm telling my alignment shop what to expect. Thanks!

 

[UNBROKEN]

Question for @UNBROKEN you mentioned you need to dremel out the slots to get to -.5 in the rear. Is this the case? I want to make sure I'm telling my alignment shop what to expect. Thanks!

You’ll be fine. Just make sure they know where to adjust from.

 

[BrooseDaMoose]

Question for @UNBROKEN you mentioned you need to dremel out the slots to get to -.5 in the rear. Is this the case? I want to make sure I'm telling my alignment shop what to expect. Thanks!

Don’t mean to butt into your conversation but, if they do it the right way they can get it to -.5. It took me going to three different locations to get it done! If they unload the suspension and adjust it from the inside, they can get it to -.5, or at least very close. I had to explain this to the shops I went to. The first shop never even touched the inner nut. Second shop didn’t unload the suspension. Said they never heard of doing it that way. Last shop did exactly what I told them and got it done! No dremeling or adjustment kit needed.


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[21STBlkout]

You’ll be fine. Just make sure they know where to adjust from.

Perfect. thanks!

 

[21STBlkout]

Don’t mean to butt into your conversation but, if they do it the right way they can get it to -.5. It took me going to three different locations to get it done! If they unload the suspension and adjust it from the inside, they can get it to -.5, or at least very close. I had to explain this to the shops I went to. The first shop never even touched the inner nut. Second shop didn’t unload the suspension. Said they never heard of doing it that way. Last shop did exactly what I told them and got it done! No dremeling or adjustment kit needed.


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No worries! So basically lift the rear end, loosen inner bolt (I have the diagram to show them) so it falls naturally, tighten the bolt back up then adjust camber and toe normally from there?

 

[BrooseDaMoose]

No worries! So basically lift the rear end, loosen inner bolt (I have the diagram to show them) so it falls naturally, tighten the bolt back up then adjust camber and toe normally from there?

Yep. That should get you there.


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[21STBlkout]

Yep. That should get you there.


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Thanks!

 

[21STBlkout]

So just got the ride back from the shop, Basically told me this is the best they could get the rear, minus the toe, I told them to get it close to -1 they said they can adjust toe more if need be, just wanted to see how it looked to you guys. thanks! Also was going to go to my other shop to see if they could get it lined up better if need be.

 

[UNBROKEN]

After all the posts about those why are y’all even accepting your cars back with a horrible result like that?
No…nothing about that is OK. Your rear tires won’t last 5000 miles. Copy the pic that’s been posted a hundred times showing where to adjust rear camber and take that and the car back to them and tell them to set the camber at -.5° and get the toe right. That’s shitty work.

 

[GearHead_1]

Sadly, it looks like they know where the adjustment in that rear end is. They may not know that they need to let the wheels droop, but they did move it.

 

[Cruising68]

Agree that’s pretty bad! Took me three times including the dealer to find a guy that actually gave a shit and did it correctly after telling him about the inside adjuster.


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[21STBlkout]

I'm going to bring it to another shop then, I watched them raise it then loosen the inside bolt (I was right out there with him) and I did see it fall in place, they tightened the bolt back down then put weight back on the tires. To me it looked like they definitely maxed it out there was no more moving it out anymore, I also showed them the diagram as well as other notes from here about setting rear toe to -1 degree. From what I was seeing they were doing everything correctly. He did make a comment though about the inner bolt was the only way to adjust the camber, and the lower was for toe?

 

[UNBROKEN]

I'm going to bring it to another shop then, I watched them raise it then loosen the inside bolt (I was right out there with him) and I did see it fall in place, they tightened the bolt back down then put weight back on the tires. To me it looked like they definitely maxed it out there was no more moving it out anymore, I also showed them the diagram as well as other notes from here about setting rear toe to -1 degree. From what I was seeing they were doing everything correctly. He did make a comment though about the inner bolt was the only way to adjust the camber, and the lower was for toe?

Anybody that told you to set rear toe at -1° is an idiot. Your tires will be gone in a month. Set toe to factory specs.

 

[21STBlkout]

I'm going to bring it to another shop then, I watched them raise it then loosen the inside bolt (I was right out there with him) and I did see it fall in place, they tightened the bolt back down then put weight back on the tires. To me it looked like they definitely maxed it out there was no more moving it out anymore, I also showed them the diagram as well as other notes from here about setting rear toe to -1 degree. From what I was seeing they were doing everything correctly. He did make a comment though about the inner bolt was the only way to adjust the camber, and the lower was for toe?

1. Jack up the rearend to take the weight off the wheels.
2. Lossen the camber adjustment nut 2 full turns.
3. Let the suspention settle and re-torque the nut.
4. Put the car down and check camber (which should be close to -.5°)
5. Adjust camber if not -.5°
6. Adjust toe to -.1° or just below.

Those are the notes I showed including the diagram plus with me physically seeing the weight off the rear and it drop (according to a lot of people on here that's all you need to make sure it happens), so looking at the finished results I thought it looked good, obviously not the -.5 camber in the rear but I was more worried about toe, and going by setting toe to -1 or a little less, I thought it looked good.

 

[21STBlkout]

Anybody that told you to set rear toe at -1° is an idiot. Your tires will be gone in a month. Set toe to factory specs.

Will do.