Baxter Performance spin on filter adapter

[CCS86]

I have probably done more datalogs on this engine than 99% of the people here. You’re not going to find some gotcha moment.

What's your point? I don't care about how many datalogs you have taken. We are talking about a specific topic, not about you and how experienced you think you are.

Are you really arguing that getting oil pressure up as soon as possible is not important?

 

[UNBROKEN]

What's your point? I don't care about how many datalogs you have taken. We are talking about a specific topic, not about you and how experienced you think you are.

Are you really arguing that getting oil pressure up as soon as possible is not important?

The car gets oil pressure up plenty fast. It works as designed without the need for extra parts. As my first post said…this is a solution looking for a problem. You’re quite literally looking for a problem where there isn’t one.

 

[CCS86]

The car gets oil pressure up plenty fast. It works as designed without the need for extra parts. As my first post said…this is a solution looking for a problem. You’re quite literally looking for a problem where there isn’t one.

If you were as experienced as you claim to be, you would know that the majority of engine wear occurs during cold starts.

Getting oil pressure up faster absolutely helps to mitigate this wear, and acting like that is a worthless pursuit just shows your lack of understanding.

 

[BitViper]

I like the concept, not the price.

Yep!

 

[UNBROKEN]

If you were as experienced as you claim to be, you would know that the majority of engine wear occurs during cold starts.

Getting oil pressure up faster absolutely helps to mitigate this wear, and acting like that is a worthless pursuit just shows your lack of understanding.

Let’s see…probably a couple hundred engines built in my life. Crewed on turbo Pro Mod cars for about a decade. Ran a high performance diesel shop for a while doing 1000+ HP stuff in addition to the pile of my own builds. Yep…I have a lack of understanding for sure.
You’re still looking for a problem the 3.0 doesn’t have. By your reasoning they should be failing left and right…but the reality is the high mileage examples keep racking up miles left and right.
There is NO need for this product outside of some self induced belief that Ford failed in their oiling system design. I don’t believe they did.

 

[CCS86]

Let’s see…probably a couple hundred engines built in my life. Crewed on turbo Pro Mod cars for about a decade. Ran a high performance diesel shop for a while doing 1000+ HP stuff in addition to the pile of my own builds. Yep…I have a lack of understanding for sure.
You’re still looking for a problem the 3.0 doesn’t have. By your reasoning they should be failing left and right…but the reality is the high mileage examples keep racking up miles left and right.
There is NO need for this product outside of some self induced belief that Ford failed in their oiling system design. I don’t believe they did.

You just love talking about yourself huh? Again, your "stats" have nothing to do with this conversation. You keep adding them in to make up for a lack of actual information or reasoning.

You also love to talk in hyperbole. According to your logic, either the oiling system is "perfect", or all the engines will fail early. In the real world, there is a vast amount of middle ground in between these extremes.

Can you answer a very simple question? Does having the engine running without sufficient oil pressure lead to increased wear?

 

[UNBROKEN]

You just love talking about yourself huh? Again, your "stats" have nothing to do with this conversation. You keep adding them in to make up for a lack of actual information or reasoning.

You also love to talk in hyperbole. According to your logic, either the oiling system is "perfect", or all the engines will fail early. In the real world, there is a vast amount of middle ground in between these extremes.

Can you answer a very simple question? Does having the engine running without sufficient oil pressure lead to increased wear?

You’re making up idiotic questions to fit your narrative. The real question is; does the time it takes the engine to build oil pressure actually lead to any appreciable increased wear?
The Ford engineers and end user results say no.

 

[CCS86]

It sounds like you don't understand how engineering works.

Acceptable ≠ optimal

You refuse to answer a question, because the answer undercuts your weak argument, so you call it "idiotic" instead. Pretty childish.

 

[UNBROKEN]

It sounds like you don't understand how engineering works.

Acceptable ≠ optimal

You refuse to answer a question, because the answer undercuts your weak argument, so you call it "idiotic" instead. Pretty childish.

I have clearly said multiple times I do not believe there’s an issue to be solved and I’ve also been very clear that I don’t believe the time it takes to build oil pressure causes any appreciable wear. You act like there’s no oil at all on the parts that need it…there is. I have seen exactly zero cases of failure due to lack of cold start oiling. You can’t provide any instances of appreciable wear caused by it.
The simple conclusion is, again, this part is a solution looking for a problem.
With that…I’ll leave you to it. You’re not going to change my mind and vice versa.

 

[CCS86]

Right, you keep saying "I don't believe", while given no justification for that belief.

Plenty of these engines have failed over the years. It is essentially impossible to accurately point to the causes for the failure, let alone catalog that data across all the failures. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

Yes, there is still an oil film on everything after oil has "drained back" in an engine without a check valve. That is generally good enough to prevent most wear during low speed, low load (like cranking). But once the engine fires, loads and speeds skyrocket, and a film is not enough. You need oil pressure to keep components separated, and prevent wear. If an oil film is enough, than explain why a loss of oil pressure in a running engine and cause failure in a matter of seconds or minutes. If you can reduce no oil pressure operation time by a couple of seconds on every start, the cumulative effect across 10,000+ starts is going to add up to something. I don't have that data, but it seems like a logical hypothesis to me.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Right, you keep saying "I don't believe", while given no justification for that belief.

Plenty of these engines have failed over the years. It is essentially impossible to accurately point to the causes for the failure, let alone catalog that data across all the failures. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

Yes, there is still an oil film on everything after oil has "drained back" in an engine without a check valve. That is generally good enough to prevent most wear during low speed, low load (like cranking). But once the engine fires, loads and speeds skyrocket, and a film is not enough. You need oil pressure to keep components separated, and prevent wear. If an oil film is enough, than explain why a loss of oil pressure in a running engine and cause failure in a matter of seconds or minutes. If you can reduce no oil pressure operation time by a couple of seconds on every start, the cumulative effect across 10,000+ starts is going to add up to something. I don't have that data, but it seems like a logical hypothesis to me.

Right. No data. Carry on.

 

[CCS86]

Right. No data. Carry on.

[No data with sound reasoning] > [No data + feelings]

 

[Flyman]

CCS86, youre the one in your feelings.
Just an objective reader of this thread.

Unbroken has explained your questions. You keep moving the goal post while ignoring his posts.

The dude is/was in the race car industry. He is locked in on this platform. And yet you want some AI response from the dude refuting your shill for Baxter products? Need charts and graphs too?

 

[CCS86]

CCS86, youre the one in your feelings.
Just an objective reader of this thread.

Unbroken has explained your questions. You keep moving the goal post while ignoring his posts.

The dude is/was in the race car industry. He is locked in on this platform. And yet you want some AI response from the dude refuting your shill for Baxter products? Need charts and graphs too?

I'm a shill? I don't even own one of their products.

Unbroken has explained nothing. Being "in the race car industry" doesn't just make him right. "He is locked in", WTF does that even mean?

Show me how I have "moved the goalpost" once. Be specific. I'll wait.