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New fueling option for the Explorer - Port Injection

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Running port injection, could be beneficial if its done in a cost effective way, and have a good way to tune it.
If done right you wouldn't need to even upgrade the HPFP, youll use the stock HPFP to control low to mid engine loads, and have the port injection come on at higher engine loads to give you plenty of head room on fueling.

Depending on the injector size, you would be able to run e85 on a stock turbo setup and keep the HPFP at I optimal operating range.
Upgraded turbo setups would be a different ball game, you might have to upgrade the HPFP atleast 1 step above stock, run 6 1300cc or maybe 6 1600cc injectors to be able to run e85..
 

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Running port injection, could be beneficial if its done in a cost effective way, and have a good way to tune it.
If done right you wouldn't need to even upgrade the HPFP, youll use the stock HPFP to control low to mid engine loads, and have the port injection come on at higher engine loads to give you plenty of head room on fueling.

Depending on the injector size, you would be able to run e85 on a stock turbo setup and keep the HPFP at I optimal operating range.
Upgraded turbo setups would be a different ball game, you might have to upgrade the HPFP atleast 1 step above stock, run 6 1300cc or maybe 6 1600cc injectors to be able to run e85..
Probably the key factor is the tuning. I've seen no tuners yet willing to support port injection. At least not the ones listed here in the forum.
I wanted to go with the upgraded fuel system (HPFP, Inj) but in my case, it definitely isn't pocket friendly. I've got the upgraded turbos and probably going to upgrade to E50 from 93DMS because the stock fuel components can handle it. Going to E85 is going to net only 25 more HP than E50 and is not worth the extra 4K+ to go that distance. E50 should take me into the 10s. I'm not tracking or hard launching so E50 would def be sufficient.
 

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Anyone on here installed one of these yet?
 

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Not that I've heard and probably because it may be hard to find a tuner that will support that mod.
 

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I appreciate the input from everybody, but haven’t even seen OP make a comment after his initial post. Regardless I seem to be more interested than he may have been.

I also clarified from the beginning that I had zero knowledge on the topic and that I was inquiring in hopes people who understand this stuff might enlighten me and others who may be interested, and asking questions so as to learn and potentially understand a little more about how it all worked. So some replying starting off by saying something along the lines of “you seem to have a misunderstanding” is annoyingly comical because I literally stated as much in my opening sentence..

But regardless, their input (after their first sentence) is still valued and appreciated.

Correct me if I’m wrong (I guess a pointless thing to say, because I will definitely be corrected if I’m wrong) but my understanding so far based off what has been said here is that if we are not using anything other than 93 octane pump gas, then I don’t need to do a single thing to my fuel pumps or injectors. Is that what I’m hearing? Our oem injectors are that capable? My man over here saying he’s running stage 5 turbos on oem injectors is wild to me. I’m reaching the point where the only feasible “upgrade” I can make to improve power (outside of ethanol blends) is to install bigger turbos. Am I hearing that bigger injectors will not help me with that?

Second question is why would this port injection from EMS not be a good idea? It’ll clean my intake valves (from my understanding) and it will offer an increased availability of fuel to maximize my power output. (Unless it’s actually true more fuel will not help me at 93 pump gas). I actually want to hear those of you who know what you’re talking about, or even THINK you know what you are talking about, or have any experience, let us hear it so we can weigh the pros and cons (if there are any).

Third question, which is better/safer (and why)?:
Nostrum injector upgrades for our Direct Injection, or the EMS port injection. This matters, because if we can utilize a stage 1 or 2 injector for 93 octane to provide more power to those of us who have upgraded our turbos, why should we not just go the EMS port injection route? (Unless everyone is in agreement that even a stage 1 or 2 nostrum upgrade wouldn’t help either

(In no circumstance am I going to run an ethanol blend, and yes I know 93 gas has up to 10% ethanol in it, that’s irrelevant to this conversation.)

I just want to be as fast (and reliable) as possible and not use an ethanol blend, all valuable input is appreciated.
 



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