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Not sure, but this seems like a BS fix. I don’t know. I guess we should wait to see final plans but this is a physical/mechanical issue. Wtf does software have to do with anything. I can see lawsuits in the near future if they attempt to modify power output in anyway. I bought a vehicle because it drove a certain way. You modify that capacity, litigation is on.
This....you are correct. We bought vehicles based on 400HP and 415FT. Its very odd though that the interceptor will be getting parts and the non police units get a PCM update.
 

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This....you are correct. We bought vehicles based on 400HP and 415FT. Its very odd though that the interceptor will be getting parts and the non police units get a PCM update.
yup, it’s a joke. So what is the correct fix then ford?? You’re proposing two different fixes for the legit same exact issue. I mean it’s kinda insulting that they think customers won’t find this out lol the issue is the same, regular explorer vs police explorer. Yet you’re implementing two different solutions. Ford needs to pay.
 

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yup, it’s a joke. So what is the correct fix then ford?? You’re proposing two different fixes for the legit same exact issue. I mean it’s kinda insulting that they think customers won’t find this out lol the issue is the same, regular explorer vs police explorer. Yet you’re implementing two different solutions. Ford needs to pay.
Yeah, this is very disappointing
 

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The way it reads it includes the models with the 2.3L also. That really seems odd.
 

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The way it reads it includes the models with the 2.3L also. That really seems odd.
It does seem that way, but under the subject is say certain 2020-2022 models....which is still vague
 

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It does seem that way, but under the subject is say certain 2020-2022 models....which is still vague
That’s what I’m confused about. I thought all 2020s had the 4 bolt frame. And it doesn’t mention the 2022 police explorer.
 

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And why are they recalling those of us that have four bolts?
Because to do otherwise would be admitting the problem is caused by the change to the three bolt design. I doubt Ford will ever do that.
 

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Because to do otherwise would be admitting the problem is caused by the change to the three bolt design. I doubt Ford will ever do that.
Also note the bulletin only talks about what happens with a broken bolt when the vehicle is parked. Nothing about the real problem of the bolt breaking while driving which of course is the only time the vehicle is accelerating.
 

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Because to do otherwise would be admitting the problem is caused by the change to the three bolt design. I doubt Ford will ever do that.
Does anybody have the TSB that was issued the the bolt did break? I thought the fix for that was to replace with the correct part. If that is the case the TSB seems to contradict the recall PCM update for the same issue.
 

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Does anybody have the TSB that was issued the the bolt did break? I thought the fix for that was to replace with the correct part. If that is the case the TSB seems to contradict the recall PCM update for the same issue.
I think only applies if it breaks.

2020 Ford Explorer suspension TSB (Bulletin SSM 50471)

Bulletin Date: Feb. 7, 2022 Component: Suspension. Bulletin Summary: Some 2020-2022 explorer vehicles may exhibit a rear axle mounting bolt that has broken. In order to correct the condition, the rear subframe, differential cover, and mounting bolts will need to be replaced in addition to any other damaged
 

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It'ss a full blown safety recall.. not just a TSB. Dealerships wont be able to deliver vehicles to customers until it is fixed and we that have the recall can go and get the remedy as soon as it's availalbe.

I'm off today but will dive into the recall further tomorrow when I'm at work.

The letter sent to dealers states that just a PCM flash is the fix... i hope thats not the case.. lol
 

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Crap mo stink! I'll wait until enough ST owners get this done and complain to Ford about the loss in power. Hopefully they do the right thing and update this to a subframe swap.

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And why are they recalling those of us that have four bolts?
They just want to look underneath to see if it has the correct part or not.
 

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Of course, the jury is still out on the "fix", but I am betting that if it is a PCM fix, it'll be something that may not limit hp/torque, as that would just open up another can of worms. If you think of it from a manufacturer's perspective, the best way to handle this midterm would be something that would limit a tuner's ability to change the tune. Of course, if it's mechanical, some type of differential isolator might be an alternative (I can't see Ford replacing vast amounts of subframes, but it's possible). It's also possible that it's something as simple as some bolts that weren't heat treated correctly. We can all speculate as much as we like, but that would be the most likely "fixes" IMHO.
 

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All I can see a software change doing is to limit all acceleration to be a soft start. You would still have 400 hp peak but it would take longer to get there.
 

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If it's a PCM change only, my guess is they are tweaking the torque management. Most vehicles have some type to limit abuse. IMO it will definitely involve pulling power under certain conditions. With GM if you pounded the throttle and downshifted, there was always a noticeable lag before power came on. All was done to limit the internal bashing of parts in the transmission. At least in GM's this could be tuned out if you wanted to take the chance and/or beefed up your trans.

The more this appears to not be a mechanical fix, the better I feel about my subframe on order.
 

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ridiculous and unethical, we should start a letter writing campaign
 

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02/22 build. Has only 1 bolt. Was kinda bummed when I looked underneath. Just bought it back in March. Been excellent the whole time (one family trip to myrtle beach already under its belt. But I am curious what this fix entails. Would really like 2 bolts. Recall notice just popped up today on FordPass app.
 

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I’m just going to sit back and let it play out. Ford will often put of safety recalls and do the minimum to begin with and then there are subsequent recalls/TSBs. It’s all about the bottom dollar unfortunately.


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