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Baxter Performance spin on filter adapter

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Just wondering how much oil would be spilled everytime you screw off the filter?
 

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I'd just want it for the easier oil changes alone. But not for that price...
The price is a bit exorbitant, I will admit that, although sanity and convenience are things I’m usually willing to pay for. Especially to convert things that are stupid designs back to the way god intended.
 

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Just wondering how much oil would be spilled everytime you screw off the filter?
Supposedly not much, there’s a schrader valve you blow air into before you take the filter off and that allegedly evacuates most of the oil from the filter.
 

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I'd just want it for the easier oil changes alone. But not for that price...
I am unsure why everyone thinks the cartridges are hard to change. Get a hook or knife to pull or cut off the o-rings and you just roll on the new ones. Much easier than messing with the screw on filter under the car. And much, much cleaner.
 

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Supposedly not much, there’s a schrader valve you blow air into before you take the filter off and that allegedly evacuates most of the oil from the filter.
Sounds unnecessary to me. I love the cartridges.
 

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Glad Ford made it the way you like it then. I, on the other hand, hate the damn things.
I’m generally curious as to why you don’t like the cartridge filter?
 

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I’m generally curious as to why you don’t like the cartridge filter?
Sorry for the delay.

I don’t like clumsy designs that overcomplicate something that can, and should, be extremely simple. Extra tools (on some makes and models, the tools for the cartridge filters are specific to that design), time spent fiddling with o-rings (I have hands like christmas hams) etc, to my mind is an overcomplication of something that was simple, contained all in one unit, and that didn’t need its design changed - the basic spin-on oil filter.

I’ll admit spin-ons can be messy, sometimes awkwardly positioned (so can cartridges, not unlike these being underneath the strut brace) but the bulk of them can be taken on and off by hand, and good technique can largely overcome the mess that they make (spoken from the fact that I did 7 years as an oil change guy as my first job and undoubtedly changed multiple thousand vehicles worth of oil filters, so I had time to perfect the technique - it’s all in the wrist). No fiddling involved.

A three-second blast of compressed air to a schrader valve (as with this Baxter product) followed by a quick spin off, a kiss of oil on the gasket, and and quick spin on is, to me, far more elegant a design than breaking out sockets and ratchets, removing the cartridge, removing the filter media, removing two or three o rings, re-installing two or three o-rings, reinstalling the new filter media, reinstalling the housing, and then tools to tighten it again.

My preference of course. Others’ mileage may vary!
 

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#29
These things are solutions looking for a problem. Show me a single ST engine failure because of the cartridge filter and we can talk…

How could you possibly assign causality to one thing, like the cartridge filter, on something that will very slowly cause additional wear? It's a pretty ridiculous ask.

Just listen to your engine when it starts up. I hear excess clatter, that quiets after maybe 3 seconds. That is additional wear on the engine internals. An oil filter with a functional check valve will improve that significantly.

I'm also in the camp of the price being too much to justify though. If it was $200, I'd just buy the damn thing.
 

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#30
How could you possibly assign causality to one thing, like the cartridge filter, on something that will very slowly cause additional wear? It's a pretty ridiculous ask.

Just listen to your engine when it starts up. I hear excess clatter, that quiets after maybe 3 seconds. That is additional wear on the engine internals. An oil filter with a functional check valve will improve that significantly.

I'm also in the camp of the price being too much to justify though. If it was $200, I'd just buy the damn thing.
I rolled 125K miles this week. FBO minus fuel and chargers and tuned on E50 for 120K miles and driven like I stole it daily with oil changes done when the dash goes off and not a mile sooner.
You’re gonna be hard pressed convincing me this thing is needed.
 

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I rolled 125K miles this week. FBO minus fuel and chargers and tuned on E50 for 120K miles and driven like I stole it daily with oil changes done when the dash goes off and not a mile sooner.
You’re gonna be hard pressed convincing me this thing is needed.

No one is trying to convince you that it's "needed". These engines don't "need" anything to do 125k mi besides oil & filter changes.

The question is: will it provide some benefit?

If startup clatter is reduced on every start, then yes it does.
 

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No one is trying to convince you that it's "needed". These engines don't "need" anything to do 125k mi besides oil & filter changes.

The question is: will it provide some benefit?

If startup clatter is reduced on every start, then yes it does.
I don’t have any start up “clatter”.
 

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Remote start it while you are outside the vehicle, after it has sat overnight.
Done that hundreds of times. It doesn’t make any noises that anyone that knows engines would be concerned with.
 

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Mine is a bit on the other end of the spectrum mileage wise and I wouldn't expect it to be noisy, but it has no rattle whatsoever. I start my vehicles in the garage with the door open. It's kind of a resonance chamber that lets me hear things. I've done this with all of my Ecoboost vehicles to listen to the engine for that very reason. I hear it every time it fires up.
 

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Done that hundreds of times. It doesn’t make any noises that anyone that knows engines would be concerned with.
Sounds like it does make additional noise on startup and you "aren't concerned".
 



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