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Looking to get back into a new ST, I wanted to see what has changed in terms of how you tune them? Can I use an SCT tuner still?
 

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Looking to get back into a new ST, I wanted to see what has changed in terms of how you tune them? Can I use an SCT tuner still?
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Yes but it has to be the BDX. Not the best device to be using though, HPTuners is worlds bettter
 

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Be advised, as of today, Cobb doesn't tune 2025+ ST's
 

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Good to know - I had used the GearHead AO tube previously. If I get the SCT BDX can I still use that tune? For the price I think it’s probably the best. But could be wrong.

If double the price I can go ZFG, he does have 2025+ listed on his site. But curious the other options
 

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How does Livernois compare to ZFG. Says +100hp & 115tq… ZFG about the same but double the price.

Is ZFG worth double the price if money is a concern? I could use that extra money towards an intercooler or intake if it’s about the same..
 

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Good to know - I had used the GearHead AO tube previously. If I get the SCT BDX can I still use that tune? For the price I think it’s probably the best. But could be wrong.

If double the price I can go ZFG, he does have 2025+ listed on his site. But curious the other options
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You can’t use the same tune, no.
 

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How does Livernois compare to ZFG. Says +100hp & 115tq… ZFG about the same but double the price.

Is ZFG worth double the price if money is a concern? I could use that extra money towards an intercooler or intake if it’s about the same..
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You keep saying ZFG is double the price but I don’t see that anywhere. It’s only about $280 bucks more and you get a better tuning device.
 

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Have used Lund, PBD, Livernois and ZFG on different Fords. Been really impressed with ZFG.
 

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You keep saying ZFG is double the price but I don’t see that anywhere. It’s only about $280 bucks more and you get a better tuning device.
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Livernois is $699 & ZFG showed close to $1200
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You keep saying ZFG is double the price but I don’t see that anywhere. It’s only about $280 bucks more and you get a better tuning device.
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Well ones $500 & ones $979. That’s basically double?
 

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Livernois is $699 & ZFG showed close to $1200


Well ones $500 & ones $979. That’s basically double?
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The Livernois is $700 and the basic ZFG tune that is comparable to Livernois is $970. The $1200 option is the DMS option, which is something I’d recommend but it is on a different level then Livernois.
 

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2020FordRaptor said:
The Livernois is $700 and the basic ZFG tune that is comparable to Livernois is $970. The $1200 option is the DMS option, which is something I’d recommend but it is on a different level then Livernois.
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Ah I see, you are correct I was looking at the 2021-2024. I do see now that the Livernois 2025 tune is $100 more @ $699.

So I guess is ZFG worth the extra $300?

Or is there a place to get a tuning device cheaper for the ZFG tune?
 

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Ah I see, you are correct I was looking at the 2021-2024. I do see now that the Livernois 2025 tune is $100 more @ $699.

So I guess is ZFG worth the extra $300?

Or is there a place to get a tuning device cheaper for the ZFG tune?
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For the device alone I say yes. Can’t really find it much cheaper since you have to get credits anyway.
 

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BLucas86 said:
Looking to get back into a new ST, I wanted to see what has changed in terms of how you tune them? Can I use an SCT tuner still?
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Are you guys logging knock and load with those pulls?
A lot of these timing differences between 91/93/E30 can look fine until you actually see knock behavior and load together.
Without that, it’s hard to tell if it’s clean timing or just not showing the full picture.”
 

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BLucas86 said:
Looking to get back into a new ST, I wanted to see what has changed in terms of how you tune them? Can I use an SCT tuner still?
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A lot of what you’re describing sounds like people jumping ahead of what the data is actually telling them.

Before even worrying about which tune or numbers, you want to make sure the logs are complete and consistent. If you’re missing things like AFR/Lambda, knock activity, or load/throttle in the same pull, it’s really easy to misread what’s going on.

A lot of “good” or “bad” results people talk about come down to incomplete data or inconsistent logging more than the tune itself.

If you haven’t already, I’d focus on getting a clean, repeatable log with all the key channels first, then evaluate from there.
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Looking to get back into a new ST, I wanted to see what has changed in terms of how you tune them? Can I use an SCT tuner still?
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