Livernois vs ZFG

[BigAnt75]

Been hearing a lot about Livernois tunes. Anyone have a comparison between what I’m running now,ZFG, which is a great tune in itself , and Livernois?

 

[2020FordRaptor]

Been hearing a lot about Livernois tunes. Anyone have a comparison between what I’m running now,ZFG, which is a great tune in itself , and Livernois?

ZFG holds all the records, and has a lot of amazing reviews about the tranny tuning and throttle mapping. Livernois is okay, but definitely not as good.

 

[BigAnt75]

ZFG holds all the records, and has a lot of amazing reviews about the tranny tuning and throttle mapping. Livernois is okay, but definitely not as good.

I definitely believe that statement!! Have been nothing but pleased with ZFG. You know how we get though…always wanting to try something new lol

 

[I Bleed Ford Blue]

Once you go ZFG, everything else is a downgrade.

 

[enphor]

Can't compare others, but did just complete my ZFG tune process. It was super easy with their app and module. Hardest part was finding an empty straight road to data log on, especially with the Thermal exhaust and downpipes not being very "stealth" lol.

Crazy happy with how the tune came out. Did the DMS version so Normal mode has a nice uplift in power and better daily driver shifting, Sport is hardcore max power and very sport oriented shifts (like stock sport mode but on steroids), and tow is tow of course. Happy to report the vehicle is now even more of a beast. Wife confirms "its like I'm on a rollercoaster" as far as the thrills go.

 

[BrooseDaMoose]

Once you go ZFG, everything else is a downgrade.

Totally agree with this.

 

[Cdubya]

Livernois is a canned tune. ZFG is custom. It all depends on what you want and use your car for. ZFG folks tend to want the best available and the Dragy validation that goes with it.

I have the Livernois... like the performance, the shifting improvement, the price (they had a $499 sale when I got it back in the day), the customer service and the free updates. I have no interest in Dragy numbers or 1/4 mile times--although I like to hear what others are getting!

 

[speedracer05]

ZFG holds all the records, and has a lot of amazing reviews about the tranny tuning and throttle mapping. Livernois is okay, but definitely not as good.

Throttle mapping after a tune kind of confuses me. If the drive modes are already changing throttle maps, transmission shift points and various drivetrain stuff, why would you need to remap the throttle after adding power across the RPM range? I'm sorry if this is dumb question.

 

[speedracer05]

Livernois is a canned tune. ZFG is custom. It all depends on what you want and use your car for. ZFG folks tend to want the best available and the Dragy validation that goes with it.

I have the Livernois... like the performance, the shifting improvement, the price (they had a $499 sale when I got it back in the day), the customer service and the free updates. I have no interest in Dragy numbers or 1/4 mile times--although I like to hear what others are getting!

Two quick questions:
So you like everything about the tune and company but ZFG is better? Even for a daily?
Also, no one has ever really explained the 'doesn't skip gears' part of the Livernois tune. I understand it's not skipping gears but, it seems like it would then be shifting all the time, no? But folks say they like it. How does it drive differently when it doesn't 'skip gears?'
Thx

 

[Cdubya]

Two quick questions:
So you like everything about the tune and company but ZFG is better? Even for a daily?
Also, no one has ever really explained the 'doesn't skip gears' part of the Livernois tune. I understand it's not skipping gears but, it seems like it would then be shifting all the time, no? But folks say they like it. How does it drive differently when it doesn't 'skip gears?'
Thx

Like I said, everyone is different. If you are the type of person who wants the best available, a custom tune is for you. The Livernois has very good performance for a canned tune, is easy to setup and use, and also shifts great. As far as the skip gears, my understanding is that Ford uses that to keep as low RPM as possible to save fuel. It is not used in sport mode. I also read someone post that in later PCM calibrations, the skip gears was abandoned which resulted in smoother shifting--don't know if that's true but my 2026 ST shifts much better and smoother than my 2020 did out of the gate. After two PCM updates and Livernois tune, the 2020 shifted really well and for me, one of the main benefits of the tune. I've always appreciated that Livernois updates were free because from the time I purchased it in 2020, they've made numerous updates to the tune and it's always been for the better.

I myself am waiting for Livernois to officially support the 2026's with their tune. Unfortunately, they tell me the MyCalibrator device that I had for my 2020 is an old version and is not compatible with 2025+.

 

[speedracer05]

Like I said, everyone is different. If you are the type of person who wants the best available, a custom tune is for you. The Livernois has very good performance for a canned tune, is easy to setup and use, and also shifts great. As far as the skip gears, my understanding is that Ford uses that to keep as low RPM as possible to save fuel. It is not used in sport mode. I also read someone post that in later PCM calibrations, the skip gears was abandoned which resulted in smoother shifting--don't know if that's true but my 2026 ST shifts much better and smoother than my 2020 did out of the gate. After two PCM updates and Livernois tune, the 2020 shifted really well and for me, one of the main benefits of the tune. I've always appreciated that Livernois updates were free because from the time I purchased it in 2020, they've made numerous updates to the tune and it's always been for the better.

I myself am waiting for Livernois to officially support the 2026's with their tune. Unfortunately, they tell me the MyCalibrator device that I had for my 2020 is an old version and is not compatible with 2025+.

Thanks!! I take appreciate your thorough answer! That helps a lot! They support 25's in not sure why they wouldn't support the 26.