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Toyo Proxes ST3 reviews?

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Hello everyone:

For those that have gotten the Toyo Proxes ST3 how do you like them? The price is extremely attractive, but Im nervous that a cheap tire will lead to hydroplaning and zero traction in snow. Is this a cheap tire or a tire that happens to be cheap? How is snow and rain performance? As long it is as good or just a litle worse than the Pirellis that is good enough for me.

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Shockingly good for the price. Rain performance is excellent. Snow performance sucks but that could be because mine are 305 wide. I bought them solely to make sure a 305/40r22 would fit and I didn't want to be out a ton of money if they didn't. I'm at 20k-ish miles on them and they are wearing very well, run real quiet, and are smooth as butter at 100mph for hours at a time across the Nevada/Utah deserts. I would venture to say I like them BETTER than my Pirellis despite the lower speed rating.
 

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Dang, I wanted to get done 305s. How bad are they?
 

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How bad in the snow? Bad enough that I spent another $4000 on a winter wheel/snow tire package to put on in the winter. They will get going just fine thanks to all wheel drive. They just might not stop when you want them to. Or turn. But I live where it feels like it has snowed at least 1x a week since November, so your conditions may be different.
 

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Well, were in Nevada, 2x a week 3 IN at least since November. This is going to complicate things.
 

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Shockingly good for the price. Rain performance is excellent. Snow performance sucks but that could be because mine are 305 wide. I bought them solely to make sure a 305/40r22 would fit and I didn't want to be out a ton of money if they didn't. I'm at 20k-ish miles on them and they are wearing very well, run real quiet, and are smooth as butter at 100mph for hours at a time across the Nevada/Utah deserts. I would venture to say I like them BETTER than my Pirellis despite the lower speed rating.
Yeah that's a long trip accross those deserts! I've got a shimmy at 70-75 mph so it's time to go back to the tire shop and let the kids try balancing them again. I do like the tires though!
 

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Shockingly good for the price. Rain performance is excellent. Snow performance sucks but that could be because mine are 305 wide. I bought them solely to make sure a 305/40r22 would fit and I didn't want to be out a ton of money if they didn't. I'm at 20k-ish miles on them and they are wearing very well, run real quiet, and are smooth as butter at 100mph for hours at a time across the Nevada/Utah deserts. I would venture to say I like them BETTER than my Pirellis despite the lower speed rating.
How are those things fitting? I’m really wanting to put on some 305/50r20s (only 10mm diameter bigger than yours, which only places it 5mm closer to anything) but not sure they’ll fit. What’s your offset and wheel width, and do you think you have more than 5mm of space between them and the strut? or wheel-well liner at half turn? I can trim the liner but not the strut.. also are you lowered?
 

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How are those things fitting? I’m really wanting to put on some 305/50r20s (only 10mm diameter bigger than yours, which only places it 5mm closer to anything) but not sure they’ll fit. What’s your offset and wheel width, and do you think you have more than 5mm of space between them and the strut? or wheel-well liner at half turn? I can trim the liner but not the strut.. also are you lowered?
A 305/50r20 would guaranteed rub a lot.
 

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A 305/50r20 would guaranteed rub a lot.
Yeah? Rub what though? If some people are fitting 305/40r22 on their cars then 305/50r20 isn’t really that different, only a 5mm extension in any direction. I can tack back the wheel well liner a bit if needed. I’ve seen some people running large wheels and tires with a zero offset. I just want to know what’s the highest offset I can comfortably run with at that size to clear strut. I can trim the wheel-well liner easily if needed.
 

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Yeah? Rub what though? If some people are fitting 305/40r22 on their cars then 305/50r20 isn’t really that different, only a 5mm extension in any direction. I can tack back the wheel well liner a bit if needed. I’ve seen some people running large wheels and tires with a zero offset. I just want to know what’s the highest offset I can comfortably run with at that size to clear strut. I can trim the wheel-well liner easily if needed.
A 305/40r22 rubs at mid to full lock on the fender liner, and if you’re lowered, will rub everywhere when going over bumps. 305/50r20, being bigger, would just rub more. You wouldn’t have trouble with the strut with the normal 20x10.5 +30 wheel setup, but you’d rub the wheel liner everywhere else. It’s better to just use a 295/45r20.
 

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Yeah? Rub what though? If some people are fitting 305/40r22 on their cars then 305/50r20 isn’t really that different, only a 5mm extension in any direction. I can tack back the wheel well liner a bit if needed. I’ve seen some people running large wheels and tires with a zero offset. I just want to know what’s the highest offset I can comfortably run with at that size to clear strut. I can trim the wheel-well liner easily if needed.
You need to learn how to read wheel width and offset and also tire sizes. A 305/50/20 is .4” taller than a 305/40/22, not 5mm.
The 20 is 32” tall and will very likely rub at full lock on the fender liner. There’s no room behind the liner to push it back and trimming it makes no sense at all…why would you cut a big hole in a protective part of the car?
A 295/45/20 is the go-to size with a 10 or 10.5” wheel.
 

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You need to learn how to read wheel width and offset and also tire sizes. A 305/50/20 is .4” taller than a 305/40/22, not 5mm.
The 20 is 32” tall and will very likely rub at full lock on the fender liner. There’s no room behind the liner to push it back and trimming it makes no sense at all…why would you cut a big hole in a protective part of the car?
A 295/45/20 is the go-to size with a 10 or 10.5” wheel.
I appreciate your willingness to help someone else to prevent a costly problem, but I do know how to read wheels and tire specs. I’m sure you understand, but for anyone else who is not following along properly, a 10mm (.4in) increase in diameter means a 5mm increase on any side around the hub. A 10mm larger diameter does not place it 10mm closer to anything. The wheel is round. So that means a 5mm increase all around if the diameter is a straight line through a circle.

Our carpet liner has give to it, I’ve pressed into it. I would not cut a hole in it, so maybe trim is not the right word, but from my understanding that’s what they call it. “They” being the people who know how to make bigger tires fit by adjusting the liner. The diameter of 295/45r20 is way too small. I tried it before. $4,000 mistake. The car and steering did not agree with it. It also lowers the car and made my steering too heavy due to what I can only guess is a change in kingpin inclination angle. Going up in diameter helps if lowering the offset to maintain or improve that angle.

Plus I just want the biggest diameter tire I can have without a lift kit for the performance, the look, and the ground clearance. It is an SUV after all. I’m running 285/50r20 +33 and the driving dynamic is infinitely better. I wouldn’t mind a touch wider though, but they do not make a 295/50r20 or a 305/45r20, so those options are out because they simply don’t exist unfortunately. They do make a 305/50r20 which is the next best thing to a 295/50r20 (the ideal, but not available size I’d like) and I see countless people claiming their 305/40r22 +30 fits perfectly so I’m thinking what’s a 5mm difference in any direction. How close are these people to the strut? That’s also the size you run isn’t it? Unless maybe yours are 305/35r22. If I’ll comfortably clear the strut then I do not mind getting someone to tac back my liner a bit to fit these wheels. Or someone could go ahead and develop a 295/50r20 tire and make me very happy.
 

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I appreciate your willingness to help someone else to prevent a costly problem, but I do know how to read wheels and tire specs. I’m sure you understand, but for anyone else who is not following along properly, a 10mm (.4in) increase in diameter means a 5mm increase on any side around the hub. A 10mm larger diameter does not place it 10mm closer to anything. The wheel is round. So that means a 5mm increase all around if the diameter is a straight line through a circle.

Our carpet liner has give to it, I’ve pressed into it. I would not cut a hole in it, so maybe trim is not the right word, but from my understanding that’s what they call it. “They” being the people who know how to make bigger tires fit by adjusting the liner. The diameter of 295/45r20 is way too small. I tried it before. $4,000 mistake. The car and steering did not agree with it. It also lowers the car and made my steering too heavy due to what I can only guess is a change in kingpin inclination angle. Going up in diameter helps if lowering the offset to maintain or improve that angle.

Plus I just want the biggest diameter tire I can have without a lift kit for the performance, the look, and the ground clearance. It is an SUV after all. I’m running 285/50r20 +33 and the driving dynamic is infinitely better. I wouldn’t mind a touch wider though, but they do not make a 295/50r20 or a 305/45r20, so those options are out because they simply don’t exist unfortunately. They do make a 305/50r20 which is the next best thing to a 295/50r20 (the ideal, but not available size I’d like) and I see countless people claiming their 305/40r22 +30 fits perfectly so I’m thinking what’s a 5mm difference in any direction. How close are these people to the strut? That’s also the size you run isn’t it? Unless maybe yours are 305/35r22. If I’ll comfortably clear the strut then I do not mind getting someone to tac back my liner a bit to fit these wheels. Or someone could go ahead and develop a 295/50r20 tire and make me very happy.
Your logic doesn’t make since to me. If a 295/45 felt too heavy for you, why do you think a taller, wider tire will fix that. And what do you mean by the car and steering didn’t like it? Also, what performance gain do you expect from a taller tire. It will actually make you slower because the car has to roll a taller wheel that is heavier.

A 305/50r20 is also not in fact “a touch wider,” it is over 3/4 of an IN. Wider and taller than what you have now, which is a lot when you are talking tires. Also, who are these “countless people claiming their 305/40r22 fit perfectly?” A large majority of the people running that tire size are rubbing, .4 IN will only make it worse. Maybe you could pull back the fender liner, but I dont think thats going to fix it either.

Finally, why do you keep putting +30 after every tire size you mention? +30 refers to the offset of the wheel, and has nothing to do with the tire itself.
 

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Your logic doesn’t make since to me. If a 295/45 felt too heavy for you, why do you think a taller, wider tire will fix that. And what do you mean by the car and steering didn’t like it? Also, what performance gain do you expect from a taller tire. It will actually make you slower because the car has to roll a taller wheel that is heavier.

A 305/50r20 is also not in fact “a touch wider,” it is over 3/4 of an IN. Wider and taller than what you have now, which is a lot when you are talking tires. Also, who are these “countless people claiming their 305/40r22 fit perfectly?” A large majority of the people running that tire size are rubbing, .4 IN will only make it worse. Maybe you could pull back the fender liner, but I dont think thats going to fix it either.

Finally, why do you keep putting +30 after every tire size you mention? +30 refers to the offset of the wheel, and has nothing to do with the tire itself.
Y’all are wearing me out. Lol. I appreciate the input though haha.

Multiple things to respond to here. Maybe a new thread is needed so we can get more chime in from the 305/40r22 crowd. I’ve seen multiple people on the Facebook forums claiming they’re running this without issue, which has been baffling to me, and very few saying anything about rub.

I’m simply referring to +30 as the offset of the wheel. Obviously tires do not come with an offset lol. But the offset of the wheel is a key piece of information many people leave out when discussing tire sizes that fit. It’s important to know the offset of a wheel when discussing maximum tire diameters that fit with or without rubbing, at half to full turn, minimal or not. The lower offset will push it into the wheel well/fender liner at half and full turn, and a higher offset puts it closer to the strut. Tread width and tire diameter are also points of contention.

Yes I said I’d like a tire a touch wider than 285, but 295s don’t exist unless I go for a smaller overall diameter than OEM, which I’ve stated I’m trying to do the opposite. I don’t want wider than 305 either. I explicitly stated 295 was my preferred size. If I can find the General Grabber UHP in that size I will get i but I think they have been discontinued.

A larger diameter while maintaining the same weight or even decreasing weight when possible is a performance gain in that a larger diameter tire spinning at the same rate travels more distance, I also will have more ground clearance between the ground and the axles, and less slippage under hard acceleration, especially through turns or on wet roads. More traction, maybe a touch better gas mileage. I’m looking at tires that weigh the same or less than my current setup.

Idk how other people don’t have the same problem as me, but with my OEM wheels and tires my steering was annoyingly heavy. When I added 295/45r20s on 20x10 wheels at a +25 offset (even though slightly dropping overall weight) it made it even worse. I took them off and put OEMs back on within the week because of how much I couldn’t stand it. I chalked it up to the kingpin axis because nothing else made sense. I had to firesale that entire combo because I could not return them since they were used. Apparently other people have run that setup without issue so idk why it didn’t work for me.

3 years later I fork out money for a new setup, this time 20x9.5 +33 with 285/50r20, while only dropping a few lbs from oem, so still wider than oem and a lower offset, but this time my steering has lightened up, and feels significantly better, so much so that I don’t hate the car anymore. (Ford should make it possible to change steering weight/feel on our dash since we have EPS but they don’t..) So I don’t know how else to explain the difference there except that one tire decreased in diameter and didn’t work and the other tire increased and felt great. All setups were similar weight. Regardless of any of that, I like the look and function of a higher diameter tire much better anyways.
 

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Y’all are wearing me out. Lol. I appreciate the input though haha.

Multiple things to respond to here. Maybe a new thread is needed so we can get more chime in from the 305/40r22 crowd. I’ve seen multiple people on the Facebook forums claiming they’re running this without issue, which has been baffling to me, and very few saying anything about rub.

I’m simply referring to +30 as the offset of the wheel. Obviously tires do not come with an offset lol. But the offset of the wheel is a key piece of information many people leave out when discussing tire sizes that fit. It’s important to know the offset of a wheel when discussing maximum tire diameters that fit with or without rubbing, at half to full turn, minimal or not. The lower offset will push it into the wheel well/fender liner at half and full turn, and a higher offset puts it closer to the strut. Tread width and tire diameter are also points of contention.

Yes I said I’d like a tire a touch wider than 285, but 295s don’t exist unless I go for a smaller overall diameter than OEM, which I’ve stated I’m trying to do the opposite. I don’t want wider than 305 either. I explicitly stated 295 was my preferred size. If I can find the General Grabber UHP in that size I will get i but I think they have been discontinued.

A larger diameter while maintaining the same weight or even decreasing weight when possible is a performance gain in that a larger diameter tire spinning at the same rate travels more distance, I also will have more ground clearance between the ground and the axles, and less slippage under hard acceleration, especially through turns or on wet roads. More traction, maybe a touch better gas mileage. I’m looking at tires that weigh the same or less than my current setup.

Idk how other people don’t have the same problem as me, but with my OEM wheels and tires my steering was annoyingly heavy. When I added 295/45r20s on 20x10 wheels at a +25 offset (even though slightly dropping overall weight) it made it even worse. I took them off and put OEMs back on within the week because of how much I couldn’t stand it. I chalked it up to the kingpin axis because nothing else made sense. I had to firesale that entire combo because I could not return them since they were used. Apparently other people have run that setup without issue so idk why it didn’t work for me.

3 years later I fork out money for a new setup, this time 20x9.5 +33 with 285/50r20, while only dropping a few lbs from oem, so still wider than oem and a lower offset, but this time my steering has lightened up, and feels significantly better, so much so that I don’t hate the car anymore. (Ford should make it possible to change steering weight/feel on our dash since we have EPS but they don’t..) So I don’t know how else to explain the difference there except that one tire decreased in diameter and didn’t work and the other tire increased and felt great. All setups were similar weight. Regardless of any of that, I like the look and function of a higher diameter tire much better anyways.
I know that offset is a huge factor in wheel fitment, but without knowing the width of the wheel, offset is irrelevant because there is not enough info. You are going to get the exact opposite performance differences that you described, but you have to keep in mind any difference would be so minimal you couldn’t feel the difference at all. If you thought a 295/45r20 made the steering really heavy, a 305/50r20 is going to feel no different, if not worse. Also, the steering weight does adjust between drive modes, it is heavier in Sport.
 



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