My problem with front tinted windows...

[ExplorerSTLine]

My main issue with members increasing the tint on side windows and front windshield is when it is so dark that I can't see the driver. Ever come to a 4 way stop? Maybe it is me - but I want to make sure the driver isn't looking at his/her phone, etc. and see's me when it is my turn to leave the stop sign. My biggest fear is the driver with dark tinted front/side window and real dark windshield will just pull out without looking. I normally flash my lights to let the driver with dark windows to just go since I can't see him/her. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Eljaber]

I don't pay attention to the driver, I pay attention to the vehicle. Having been involved in a couple of accidents (not at fault) and over a dozen close calls, I always drive defensively. I try to predict the vehicle's next move and always put myself in a situation where I can easily escape any harm. Some drivers are lost in their own world, looking at them tells you nothing, whereas the vehicle gives you a better idea of what might happen or is happening. I'm also not afraid to use my horn . As soon as I sense someone is not paying attention, I will get their attention.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Being able to see a driver doesn’t mean shit. Tires don’t lie…ever. Watch the tires of you wanna know what a car is doing.

 

[BrooseDaMoose]

My biggest fear is the driver with dark tinted front/side window and real dark windshield will just pull out without looking.

If the driver with tinted windows just pulls out, what's the tint got to do with it? That's on the driver, not the tint. Someone without tinted windows could pull out just the same. I don't know about other people but if I'm not sure if someone is going to pull out, I just wait and let them go first.

 

[ExplorerSTLine]

I don't pay attention to the driver...looking at them tells you nothing...

I hear ya. If the driver is looking in the opposite direction - I just don't feel comfortable moving if it is my turn. But I hear ya.

Being able to see a driver doesn’t mean shit...

Understood - thanks for your advice.

If the driver with tinted windows just pulls out, what's the tint got to do with it?...

Thanks for you comments.

 

[SeanColin]

My main issue with members increasing the tint on side windows and front windshield is when it is so dark that I can't see the driver. Ever come to a 4 way stop? Maybe it is me - but I want to make sure the driver isn't looking at his/her phone, etc. and see's me when it is my turn to leave the stop sign. My biggest fear is the driver with dark tinted front/side window and real dark windshield will just pull out without looking. I normally flash my lights to let the driver with dark windows to just go since I can't see him/her. Just my 2 cents.

I couldn't agree more. I've had morons at a 4 way stop holler at me because I couldn't see them waving me on even though they had the right of way. If I can see the driver, I can see they acknowledge my presence and can communicate if needed. The same heat and UV protection can be had with a clear ceramic film so the tint is only for vanity. I know here in NJ it's illegal but the local cops can't seem to be bothered.

 

[ExplorerSTLine]

I couldn't agree more. I've had morons...

Thank goodness I am not alone. Prepare to get zinged now!

 

[BrooseDaMoose]

I couldn't agree more. I've had morons at a 4 way stop holler at me because I couldn't see them waving me on even though they had the right of way. If I can see the driver, I can see they acknowledge my presence and can communicate if needed. The same heat and UV protection can be had with a clear ceramic film so the tint is only for vanity. I know here in NJ it's illegal but the local cops can't seem to be bothered.

Take it from someone who deals with migraines due to being photophobic and has a permit for tinted windows, it’s not “only for vanity”! I always flash my lights to give someone the right of way because it’s not just tint that causes people to not see you.


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[Mobius87]

You know what I see causing more issues at 4 way stops? People who hesitate or 'give way' even when they have the right. It just causes confusion and distraction. Now, instead of focusing on the timing and what is happening with the entire intersection, you have to focus and try to interpret what the guy who should be moving wants you to do. Then the next guy in the queue gets frustrated and darts forward because no-one else is moving.

People have enough trouble understanding how a 4 way stop works. Just do your part according to the established rules and stop making it more confusing.

Never mind the fact that you're all at a stop. If you start going according to your right and the other guy does too.... then stop. You're both barely moving at this point, it isn't like you're closing at 120mph.

 

[ExplorerSTLine]

Take it from someone who deals with migraines due to being photophobic and has a permit for tinted windows, it’s not “only for vanity”! I always flash my lights to give someone the right of way because it’s not just tint that causes people to not see you...

Please understand - I am not talking about your problem. Everyone understands that some of us need tinted windows. I was talking about those that just do it because it looks cool. Which I must agree - it does like nice. Funny about you flashing your lights. I do the same thing when I come up to someone with dark windows - rather just sit back and let them roll through.

 

[SETXExpSTGuy]

You know what I see causing more issues at 4 way stops? People who hesitate or 'give way' even when they have the right. It just causes confusion and distraction. Now, instead of focusing on the timing and what is happening with the entire intersection, you have to focus and try to interpret what the guy who should be moving wants you to do. Then the next guy in the queue gets frustrated and darts forward because no-one else is moving.

People have enough trouble understanding how a 4 way stop works. Just do your part according to the established rules and stop making it more confusing.

Never mind the fact that you're all at a stop. If you start going according to your right and the other guy does too.... then stop. You're both barely moving at this point, it isn't like you're closing at 120mph.

100% this---just do what you are supposed to do and then be ready to quickly react if others do not do the same, which, obviously happens with increasing regularity.

And with regard to "looking into their eyes" as a means of determining whether or not they "see" you, I can tell you that as a 25+year motorcycle rider, I've had people "look" directly at me and then do some really, really stupid stuff even though they were "looking" at me.

The short note is that if you want to know when another vehicle is moving, look at the wheels, which never lie, rather than the eyes.

 

[SeanColin]

Thank goodness I am not alone. Prepare to get zinged now!

I'm not worried about getting "zinged". To me, it's a serious safety issue. I understand some people need it for medical reasons but the huge majority of people just do it for vanity.

 

[SeanColin]

100% this---just do what you are supposed to do and then be ready to quickly react if others do not do the same, which, obviously happens with increasing regularity.

And with regard to "looking into their eyes" as a means of determining whether or not they "see" you, I can tell you that as a 25+year motorcycle rider, I've had people "look" directly at me and then do some really, really stupid stuff even though they were "looking" at me.

The short note is that if you want to know when another vehicle is moving, look at the wheels, which never lie, rather than the eyes.

As someone who has also been riding for over 20 years I understand what you're saying but I'm also talking about communication. If I can't see a driver waving me on or signaling for any reason because they need to look cool that's an issue. If I'm riding, coming up on the driver's side of a car and look at their side view mirror to see if they're aware of me and I can't see because of dark tint that's also an issue. For me a huge part of defensive driving has always been being aware of what other drivers are doing so I can try to anticipate what I need to do to avoid getting run over.