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Goodbye SS, Hello ST!

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They were Continental Extreme Contact UHP's. I've run those tires on most of my higher HP vehicles in the past, I've found that they have good grip and decent life, but can also handle the inevitable early and late season snow and slush without complaint. I never had an issue and would run them again. Not sure if they make them in 21's, I might size down for winter tires and or find a new high performance AS tire for the rest of the year. Note to self, Nitto 555 G2's are out of the question haha.
The best performance a/s tire is the Michelin Pilot4 A/S. We have them on our Shelby and the dry grip is unreal. There also amazing in rain and decent in light snow.
 

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Thanks for all the replies!



Typing on my phone so bear with me!

But yeah, from what I gathered looking at the footage (finally watched it) I was a bit right of center actually in the left lane. My steering angle was about 5 degrees. When I let off the gas, like you mentioned, the weight shifted to a more neutral position. My 10" rear tires were probably already hanging on by a thread, as this was a torrential downpour, and going uphill into the rain, there was quite a bit of water coming down the mountain. So because of my steering angle and velocity, my skinnier fronts were doing most of the gripping. And, the tires were at about 60% tread, I was going to retire them in a month when I put my snows on, so not ideal. But when I hit the standing water. My fronts were enough to not hydroplane, but the rear only needed a hint of help. And since I had angular momentum kept in check by the tires, when I lost rear traction that went out the window and my nose kept going the way I wanted. While the rear went straight, essentially kicking out the rear and the rest is history now. There were a whole lot of factors at play, and they all came together in the worst way as these things tend to do. But I can say that I'm thankful for walking away completely uninjured. Also, Nationwide was very fair. I paid $42k out the door for her, off the showroom floor in 2017. Since it was the last year for the SS they included it in their 20% off EOY sale, which along with the Corvette, they never did before. I ended up getting close to $32k, and it had 106k miles. I had an Xterra that was my winter car for the first 4 years before we moved from Maine. She owed me nothing, so I paid basically $10k to drive 100k+ miles for 5 years and a ton of smiles. I don't think I'll ever get that opportunity again! And on top of that, not a single issue in any of those miles. I took care of her, But I wasn't easy on the skinny pedal!
To be fair, I wasn't trying to trivialize or minimize your situation, I just believe this is great information for people to know because this type of traction loss doesn't occur strictly on the racetrack, and I believe it can help people be more knowledgeable drivers. I am glad you're ok and sorry about your car
 

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The best performance a/s tire is the Michelin Pilot4 A/S. We have them on our Shelby and the dry grip is unreal. There also amazing in rain and decent in light snow.
Those are only good in warmer areas. Horrific banana peel death traps in anything but warm/hot weather lol. Not sure what HP your Shelby has but I had them on my 08 GT500 (780rwhp) they were awful, I was hoping for a good all arounder but the tire compound is so damn hard, the streets needed to be HOT for them not to dice around like a slip and slide lol.
I quickly turfed them got some DSW06's and they were WAY better. Gripped well in all temps and really well in the rain. Eventually went with some 05R's in the rear that were obviously much better than both. I still run the DSW's on my 600hp Trans Am.
 

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Those are only good in warmer areas. Horrific banana peel death traps in anything but warm/hot weather lol. Not sure what HP your Shelby has but I had them on my 08 GT500 (780rwhp) they were awful, I was hoping for a good all arounder but the tire compound is so damn hard, the streets needed to be HOT for them not to dice around like a slip and slide lol.
I quickly turfed them got some DSW06's and they were WAY better. Gripped well in all temps and really well in the rain. Eventually went with some 05R's in the rear that were obviously much better than both. I still run the DSW's on my 600hp Trans Am.
We're at the stock 662 HP and the tires have amazing grip in dry and wet weather. Don't really see how they could be so bad for you.
 

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We're at the stock 662 HP and the tires have amazing grip in dry and wet weather. Don't really see how they could be so bad for you.
Compound and temperature makes a huge difference. The Michelin Sport Cup 2's that came stock on my PP2 wouldn't do anything below 40 degrees. I could spin the inside wheel going around a corner with the clutch in when it was cold.
 

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Compound and temperature makes a huge difference. The Michelin Sport Cup 2's that came stock on my PP2 wouldn't do anything below 40 degrees. I could spin the inside wheel going around a corner with the clutch in when it was cold.
Very true. Anything under 50 is sketchy too.
 

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Hi all!

My name is Brian. I'm (one of) your newest members, I normally do a ton of methodical research before I purchase a vehicle but not this time. My previous car, my baby, my Chevy SS (that's the whole model, just SS. It's a rebadged Holden Commodore from AUS) was taken in a freak rain storm. I was driving on the highway in the Berkshires (Massachusetts) going up a gentle sweeping right curve when I was suddenly in an instant torrential downpour. That happens infrequently here, but it happened when I was driving. Well, as soon as it hit, I took my foot off the gas to coast and slow down. Problem is, on I90 in that part of the state, it has issues with standing water. And I guess you can tell what happened next. My driver side wheels hit a standing pool of water, and because my wheel was slightly turned to follow the curve of the road immediately kicked my ass end out, across all 3 lanes and nose first into the guard rail, spun around hit the back end, and then ended up facing oncoming traffic in the middle of the road. I was totally uninjured, she was a very safe car and took care of me right up until her last cam rotation. To spare you the length, I was able to actually turn it over and smoke the rear tires to get her out of the middle lane before she finally died, basically pushing a destroyed front end on pure willpower of the venerable LS3 V8. I will surely miss her. I'm a car guy, I love everything about them, so yeah, I'm a little broken up about it. I would've bought it back wrecked and fixed it over the years, but Nationwide didn't give me that option.

Some wreckage porn if anyone is interested. First pic is about 2 minutes after it happened after I hopped the guard rail to keep myself safe, and the rain was already letting up. If only I had waited another 5 minutes at work!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/f8SPdMeXmk52cZir7

Anyway, now that that is over, I'm excited to be a part of the community! My Wife was subtly hinting that we needed a larger vehicle for family trips long before this, but she knew how much I loved the SS and the plan was to actually get her the bigger vehicle. I'm a torque junkie, so I was all about going electric. But since I'm the one that put miles on (about 25-35k a year), it wasn't feasible for me because I REFUSE to pay over sticker for anything, "Market Adjustment" my ass, f*** that noise. Anything worth buying had multiple thousand dollar ADM's. So, I just googled "Fastest SUV". Aaaaannnnd, I couldn't afford any of those. So I started accepting my fate, that my next car was going to be boring, docile. Maybe I would buy the big car, then when the time was right, give that to my Wife and I would buy something fun again. But then I found the ST trim of the Explorer, and after some quick research into market price, I was sold.

So I have a Titanium Green 2022 ST sitting at the dealer, while I'm working an entire country away on the West Coast. Paying exactly sticker, with $175 in dealer doc fees. I'll pick her up Monday, and while she isn't a row-your-own V8 sedan like the SS, I think she'll do just fine as a replacement. And bonus, my wife thinks I'm getting a boring old Explorer like her dad's lol!

I'm a modder (In fact, I have a BTR stage 2 cam for an LS3 that I was going to install over the winter if anyone is interested!), so from what I've gathered, this is what I'm planning on (this is my first turbo):

1. Wait 10,000 miles. I know that modding things voids warranties, so lets just ensure I don't have a lemon. That'll be 6 months at the most, and it'll give me time to research. I don't mind spending money, I do mind spending stupid money when there are lessons to be learned from others already.
2. Intercooler, thinking the Mishimoto
3. Monster tune, I like the stock mapping when driving casual. Don't forget, my Wife will want to take this thing around lol.
4. IDK? Sound maybe, I'll miss the sweet LS3 growl (so will my toddler, he asks nearly every day when my "Orange Car" is coming home no matter how many times I tell him that it's too broken) but I know I'll never get that again with the ecoboost. I'm open to suggestions!

I'm not looking to squeeze every ounce of torque of every HP out of her, I need her to be reliable and comfortable too. But I figure the above, that'll put 480?HP at the wheels, and that is more than fine to start. I figure if the Lincoln ecoboost can put down 490 at the crank, it should be reliable for 480 at the wheels.

Anyway, this is long enough, but I'm an electrical guy, I'm an enginerd and I work for myself. I saw another post about wanting the double-blink like the interceptors do, and I thought how easily that can be done. I'll reply to that post in a bit. But, I hope to learn a lot from you all, I and I'll do my best to contribute to this group!

Cheers,

-Brian
those SSs were bad ass. Sleeper of the first order, sorry for your loss. The ST is a worthy sleeper as well, especially with what you have in mind. Don’t forget the handling upgrades. I’m a Steeda fan but there are others. Enjoy
 

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