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I think you meant to say "What are we not having to pay $17k extra for and still getting". Right?

The thing is, is it worth the $17k price gouge and 11 mpg? Hmm ...

Another thing I was thinking about, anyone drag raced their stock ST with the 20's? Every instrumented test out there is with the 21's. Seeing how stock ST's have no traction issues, I was thinking the lighter weight and rotational mass of the 20's would make it a bit faster than the 21's.

It's not the one's moving over I'd be worried about, it's the armed escaped convicts that might come at 'ya that concern me!;)

"NEW !!! The Thermal R&D 3" downpipe back full exhaust system. Expect an aggressive exhaust note at idle and wide open throttle yet little to no interior drone when at cruise or highway driving. This 3" exhaust is suitable for stock ST's all the way to fully modified high power builds" "Little"?

Congrats, again? Lol Black is definitely the sharpest color on earth for a vehicle, and without a doubt the most intensely difficult to keep clean. The perfect paradox if I ever saw one! My SHO and Stinger GT were black, and I was washing them 3-4 times a week.:cool: Also, LEO's use that...

The louder the exhaust the better! Won't hear the rear bolt if it snaps!

Heh, what's 11 mpg compared to the SRT's additional $17,000 asking price over the ST!

It seems you're asking about stock ST quarter mile times, and the answer is generally NO. 90% of times posted are for tuned ST's.

Okay, the Poll is now 70% 21" and 30% 20", more like I thought. Still too low though, I suspect 21" will go beyond 80%.

Where I live, I'd say the number of 21" vs. 20" on dealer lots was ~10 to 1. The 21" with red brakes are definitely more aggressive looking, but here's why I had to avoid them when looking for a new '22 ST: Every one that had the $1,595 Street Pack also had about $5,000 in additional options...

My concern is the increased likelihood of curb rash on the 21's. Regarding the poll, it is now 2 to 1 for owners with the 21" wheels, more along the lines of what I expected. I think that ratio will go even higher.

The only honest answer is they could deny your warranty, if they wanted to. So your '21 is a 1/3 bolt then? Regarding MA PIU failures rates, 1/2 of them failing doesn't jive with overall reported failures. Plus, that many failures would be front page news just about everywhere.

That they do. Makes sense.

So far the poll is even at 6/6. But it seems nearly every pic I see posted of an ST has the 21's?

I considered getting my 20's painted black, I would've got a set of OEM 21's but I figured I'd have less of a chance scuffing the wheels with the 20's. 20's as a Winter set! What has this world come to.;)

Seems like my OEM 20" wheels are rarer than hen's teeth. Want to see the ratio of 20" vs. 21" wheels that owners have.

Heh Tyler! You've already done the most involved thing you could do, you bought an ST.:cool:

Greetings! Get that camera out!

I don't see most ST owners getting a tune, much less spending 10k for a mid 10 sec SUV! But whatever.;)